If You Opt Out Of Social Security Do You Still Get The Money You Already Put In?

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Most pastors don’t go straight from high school or college into the pulpit. Usually, you spend a few years in the secular workforce before settling into your pastoral vocation. 

I think that’s a good thing. It gives you some practical work experience, exposes you to how people outside of the church live and work, and, depending on where you work, it can make you really, really appreciate working with Christians once you’re on church staff. At least that was my experience.

Another thing that working a secular job before joining the ministry does is that it forces you to begin paying into the Social Security system. Remember, pastors are unique in their ability to opt out. Everyone else just has to do it and has no say in the matter. 

But, what happens to the money that you put into the system if you choose to opt out once you become a licensed minister? Is it all gone or do you still get that money even though you’ve opted out?

How Social Security Eligibility Works

As with most things in the financial world, the answer to that question is it depends. Just like Jesus is always the right answer in Sunday school, it depends is always the right answer if you’re a financial advisor. It does depend, though, and it depends on how long you had paid into the system before opting out.

To be eligible for Social Security retirement benefits, you need to have earned a minimum of 40 “credits.” You can earn up to 4 credits a year. For 2019, you earn one for every $1,360 of wages you have subject to Social Security taxes. That number is adjusted for inflation, so it goes up a little bit each year. 

That means that as long as you earn $5,440 this year, you will earn all 4 credits available to you. That’s pretty low, so most people that have even a part-time job earn their full 4 credits each year. Since it’s easy to max out your credits each year, most people who have worked and paid into the system for at least 10 years have acquired their required 40 credits. 

The Real Answer

So, the answer to the original question is if you paid into the system for at least 10 years or otherwise earned 40 credits, then you will get money out of Social Security. You won’t necessarily get the money you put in, though, because the system doesn’t work that way. 

With Social Security, you aren’t putting money into a retirement account with your name on it the way you do with an IRA or 403(b). You are giving the government money, which they pay out in benefits to people who are collecting payments today, in exchange for a promised future benefit. 

Your promised future benefit is determined by your average income over your 35 highest earning years. Because they use 35 years’ worth of income for the calculation, if you only pay into the system for 10 years, then you’ll have 25 zeroes added in when calculating your average. That means your Social Security benefits will be significantly lower than those of someone who worked a high-paying job for over 35 years. But they will also have put in a lot more money than you since it is a flat percentage of income.

How To Know What You Are Eligible For

As you can see, if you’ve worked long enough in a secular job, you are eligible to receive Social Security benefits even if you’ve opted out. Did you know that you are probably eligible to receive other kinds of benefits as well?

Social Security pays more than just retirement benefits. They also pay disability and survivor benefits and cover some of the costs of Medicare. Depending on your age, you may be eligible for some of those benefits even if you don’t have a full 40 credits.

How do you know what kind of benefits you are eligible for and how many credits you have? Sign up with an account at ssa.gov. Once you set up your account with the Social Security Administration, you can review your earnings history and see your estimated benefits. It’s wise to do this now, even if you’re a long way from retirement, to ensure that they have the correct information in their system. 

Also, if you were hoping for Social Security retirement benefits and find that you’re just a few credits shy, it might be worthwhile to pick up a side job for a little while just to earn those credits. Even if you’ve opted out as a pastor, any secular work you do will still require you to pay into the system and accrue credits. Opting out only applies to ministerial work. 

Even If You’re Eligible, They Might Not Come Easily

Now, just because you’re eligible to receive Social Security benefits doesn’t mean it will be easy for you to file and receive them. Unfortunately, a pastor’s ability to opt out of the system is so unique that most Social Security Administration employees have no idea how it works.

Many pastors have been incorrectly denied benefits or been given bad information by Social Security employees who don’t understand how the law relates to pastors. If you find yourself in that situation, read this article here. It will tell you what to do to receive the benefits that are rightfully yours. 

Want to learn more about Social Security for pastors? Check out the following articles:

Opting Out Of Social Security: A Step-By-Step Guide

The True Cost Of Opting Out Of Social Security

What Pastors Need To Know About Social Security Even If They’ve Opted Out

Can You Still Receive Social Security Benefits Even After Opting Out?

Can Pastors Opt Back Into Social Security?

How Medicare Works For Pastors Who Have Opted Out Of Social Security

How To Appeal A Social Security Benefits Decision

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What Missionaries Can Do Today To Save On Taxes In Retirement

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It was 25 degrees Fahrenheit when I took my kids to the bus stop this morning. That’s freezing! Even though there were kids there in shorts and without jackets, for someone from Southern California like me, that’s a bit too much for my body to handle. My nose has already started running from subjecting myself to such unbearable temperatures. 

Runny noses are one of those annoying yet inevitable parts of life. Kind of like taxes. One of those things you know you’ll never be truly free of, yet you do everything in your power to limit. Because I believe in staying within my area of expertise, today we are going to talk about limiting taxes, though, not limiting runny noses. 

Today’s tip is for missionaries, or pretty much any American living abroad. This is it: utilize the foreign earned income exclusion to do tax-free Roth conversions in order to limit your tax liability in retirement. If none of that made sense to you but you live abroad and like the idea of saving on taxes, keep reading.

What Is The Foreign Earned Income Exclusion?

The United States of America is one of the only countries in the world that taxes its citizens no matter where in the globe they are located. The only other one is Eritrea. Most other countries tax people based on residency, not citizenship. 

What that means, though, is that if you’re an American living in Spain, you will be taxed by the Spanish government because you live there and the American government because of your citizenship. That doesn’t seem quite right, does it?

In order to help alleviate this unfair double taxation, the IRS has given us the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (FEIE). The FEIE allows qualifying Americans to exclude some of their foreign earned income from US taxation. The limit adjusts every year for inflation and is $105,900 for 2019. To claim this exclusion you have to file Form 2555 and you can learn more about it here.

What Is A Roth Conversion?

The other key component of today’s tax-saving equation is a Roth conversion. Before explaining what that is, we need to do a quick review of retirement accounts.

The two types of retirement accounts available to Americans that aren’t employer-dependent are traditional IRAs and Roth IRAs. The difference between the two is taxation. With a traditional account, you put money in before paying taxes. Then you pay taxes on it when you take it out. With a Roth, you put money in after paying taxes and don’t owe anything when you take it out.

If you have money in a traditional IRA, you are allowed to move it to a Roth. This is called a Roth conversion. Because traditional IRA funds haven’t been taxed yet, when you move them to a Roth IRA they are included in your income so that you can pay income taxes on them. Once you’ve paid the taxes to get the money into a Roth account, everything you withdraw in retirement will be tax-free.

How Does It Work Together To Save Missionaries On Taxes?

So, how can you combine the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion and a Roth conversion to save money on taxes?

Let’s say you’re that missionary in Spain and you have $40,000 in a traditional IRA. For 2019, you will have $55,000 of earned income. Your income is well below the allowed FEIE of $105,900, so it will all be excluded from taxation.

Now, you’ve erased your tax bill but you still have the standard deduction available to you. In 2019, it is $12,200 for a single filer and $24,400 for a married couple. You can maximize the standard deduction available to you by converting that amount from your traditional IRA to a Roth tax-free.  

So, our Spanish missionary has their entire earned income excluded with the FEIE. Then, they list $24,400 as income from the Roth conversion and the standard deduction cancels it out for a total tax bill of $0. It would only take our Spanish missionary about 2 years to convert all of his retirement funds from taxable to tax-free. 

If our Spanish missionary is in a 12% federal income tax bracket when he retires, he will have saved $4,800 in tax dollars by taking advantage of the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion and standard deduction while living overseas. Pretty cool trick, huh?

Here are the steps again:

  1. Live overseas.
  2. Earn less than the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion limit.
  3. Convert your standard deduction amount of traditional IRA funds to a Roth account.
  4. Repeat each year until all of your IRA money is in a Roth instead of a traditional account.
  5. Enjoy tax-free withdrawals in retirement.
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